Alright, we're going to be talking in this next session, we're going to be doing more
case reviews, case studies, that was fantastic.
The case studies that Suzanne brought us to really help bring it home for me and it makes
it very real and something I can actually begin to understand and a lot of questions
fire up.
And now we're going to be talking about long COVID and long VACs, a lot of questions about
how to tease those things apart, what is the difference, can we tell them apart, is the
spike protein even a thing, right, or is VAC spike different from wild type COVID spike
as we might say.
So this is going to be with Dr. Pierre Corey, Scott Marslyn, J.P. Salibi, and Dr. Joe Varone.
It's going to be an extraordinary session here and these are the diseases of course
that our August institutions don't even recognize.
We heard from Dr. Gazda that you have to sometimes fight with other neurologists, you have them
even recognize this.
This is what we're up against, so this again is an area where the FLCCC and this crew really
needs to come together and do what we can to serve people who are otherwise gas lit,
completely told that it's in their mind.
I mean how many people have heard somebody get sent home with a diagnosis of anxiety
because their heart's a hundred buck eighty, you know, it's awful, it's really terrible.
So with so many in need and suffering we are going to talk about this now and this is going
to be again a case study and we'll have these four people up.
So Pierre Corey, where are you?
Come on up.
Pierre is going to lead us through this and looking forward to it.
Alright, thanks Chris.
So we're going to do a case reports, we're going to have three presenters present a case
and then 20 minutes and then 10 minutes for questions on that case and then we'll kind
of rinse and repeat.
You guys know the deal with Slido and all that, don't ask me to explain to you, but
it's really simple.
But put your questions on there and then we'll try to order and get to as many as I can.
So first intro is Scott Marzlin, my dear friend and partner in my practice.
Scott has been a registered nurse since 1997 and a certified family nurse practitioner
since 2014.
He and I started our practice, the leading edge clinic a year ago, over a little over
a year ago and he currently manages the care of more than 200 long COVID and vaccine injured
patients.
That's just currently, he's seen many, many more over the last couple of years.
And so Scott, you want to come up and you'll go first, my friend.
So yeah, that's who I am, Scott Marzlin.
We also see general medicine patients, we see patients with complex medical conditions.
So not just Long Hall and let me go back a sec.
I just want to appreciate the team that I work with over there in the corner is Tisha
and Kara and there's Heidi and Laura up front.
This is a nurse driven practice that we have, that we've built.
And we provide really detailed, loving, lengthy care to our patients.
And I also just need to thank my wife who's not here, who's put up with my obsession about
spikopathy and vaccine injury for the last year on our countless walks.
Thank you, Kara.
So the patient I wanted to talk about today is typical of Long Hall and vaccine injured
patients and that pre pandemic, he did all the right things, right?
He ate good food.
He exercised a lot of Long Hall and vaccine injured patients or what you would have considered
to be high performers and it's kind of a mental gymnastics that you end up engaging in trying
to figure out, well, how did I go from that to where I am today where getting up and putting
on my clothes and making breakfast feels like I just passed an Olympic event, right?
This patient had two Moderna vaccines, both from bad batches.
We knew that about 5% of the batches are responsible for about 20% of the injuries and I routinely
will ask patients for their batch numbers when we start a visit and there's only ever been
a couple of patients that didn't have bad batches and frankly I think they gave me the
wrong numbers.
So that's one of the things I think about when I'm looking at whether or not someone's
vaccine injured and then there's temporal association, which is did their symptoms start
like a week after or a month after, a couple months after and honestly the farther along
that we go, the less I can make a temporal association between what's going on with
the patient and having been vaccinated, but as I said, most of them have had bad batches.
So what a list, right?
What I try to do when I first talk to patients is say, what are the symptoms that you're
having that are having the most profound effect upon your DLA functioning and then I listen
to them for 30 minutes, right?
And then I ask the question again, if we don't get an executive decision, I'll say, okay,
well this is what we're going to go after first.
The physicians in the house will have to forgive me for mixing signs and symptoms.
I think that the fatigue and the cognitive issues tend to be those that have the most
impactful on a person's DLA functioning.
I would say that that was true with this patient and also the chest pain that you was having.
So we're not practicing cookbook medicine, right?
The FLCCC has protocols and we use those as kind of a jumping off point and certainly
there's therapies that are most effective for a large number of people.
So Pierre and I are, in most cases, if the patient hasn't tried already, we're going
to be trying ivermectin, we're going to be trying low-dose naltrexone, NAC Augmentata,
which Dr. Gaza was talking about.
So the quick story on NAC Augmentata is there's a little non-profit out of Italy called Zero
Spike, so you can look up zerospike.org.
The only place in the United States that you can get it from that I'm aware of is Vita
Health Apothecary, which is in New York, Vita Health Apothecary, and you can actually, I
love the Italians, but actually the customer service is better in New York and you don't
have to pay 50 euros for the shipping.
I think it's running about $70 for a bottle that would be a month and a half worth for
taking it twice a day.
The deal is that NAC Augmentata is exponentially more effective at breaking down spike, and
I love ivermectin to death, but on a scale of zero to ten, I'd say ivermectin neutralizes
spike like a five and NAC is like an eight.
It breaks the disulfide bond between spike and ACE2 receptors, and you have to treat
it with respect.
If you have a patient like Dr. Gaza talking about who's got a spike antibody above 25,000
and you start them off on NAC Augmentata, I would encourage you to open up the capsule
and have them take a little bit and then try it again in a couple of days, because basically
it's going to blow the spike in their body into many different little bits, all of which
the body's going to have to handle, and if you want them to like you and come back, don't
start them off on one tablet twice a day.
Dr. Gaza spoke, well, she referenced memantine and glutamate.
If you want to know more about memantine, go to my lecture from May from the previous
conference.
Our practice sends a lot of big checks to Jordan Vaughn.
Where is Jordan?
I'm so grateful to Jordan because basically he has developed the expertise, he's pretty
much the national expert on microclotting, and he invested the money to set up a CLIA
certified lab, got the electron microscope, learned the staining techniques, and I would
consider the microclotting tests like a gas gauge on the dashboard, and sometimes I have
this conversation with patients, do I really have to spend that money on that because insurance
isn't going to cover it, and so then I'll tell them my story about being a kid on a
farm with a pickup truck that had no gas gauge, and sometimes you'd be 48 acres out and you'd
run out of gas, and then you'd have to walk all the way back.
You don't want to run out of gas when you're all the way out there, so you want to know
what your microclotting is, and here's a radical assertion I'm going to make, which Jordan
may make too, which is all of us are microclotting, that's what I would say, 100%, whether you're
vaccinated or unvaccinated, we've lost the controls, there might have been a small number
of people before the pandemic that had a small amount of microclotting, now the best you're
going to see on a scale of zero to four is a one, and in our patients who have long home
vaccine injury, mostly I see a three, a three and a half or a four, and in this patient's
case he had a three.
The second lab that I use a lot, and I'm really grateful for Suzanne for mentioning it, the
people above 25,000, spike antibody dilution is not spike, it's an indirect measure, it's
like using a mirror to look for the vampire behind you, but I would call this the speedometer,
and in this patient, you actually see a little bump here, here between April and June, that
was when this patient came to Ithaca, New York and had stem cells and exosomes, and God
bless his family, God bless his father, and how much they supported the patient, but his
father's boosted, and so the patient rode in the car with his father, stayed in the
home with his father and his mother and his sister, so it's like, ugh, you know, it's
like made this trip to get stem cells and exosomes, but had a lot of shedding in the
process, and we see that little bump in the spike antibody.
I've started checking serum serotonin levels on patients in the last month because of the
UPenn study that Mobine expounded upon, where the pen researchers showed that in the gut
that we have inhibition of tryptophan production, and so tryptophan is a precursor to serotonin,
and serotonin communicates via the vagus nerve with the hippocampus, which Dr. Goswami was
talking about, and so people have some degree of loss of memory, and curiosity, and motivation,
and autobiographical memory, and this relates to that, right?
So I would say three out of four patients that I'm testing, even knowing that serotonin
varies based upon circadian rhythm, an hour to hour that three out of four are low or
low normal, and this is just retrospective.
He had actually checked this patient's tryptophan level in March of 23, and it was normal, but
low normal, and by the way, he had reactivated Lyme, which we treated with Nidesoxide three
months of treatment.
So there's two slides that I think are the meat of what I'm going to try and communicate
with you.
If anything, I think they're what I hope that you'll take away, limited clinical response
and escalation of therapy.
So the way that we set up our practice visits is people have an initial long, lengthy visit,
and then the nursing team basically dogs them and says, hey, we need, basically, we need
to follow up with you again at least twice within a three month period.
And the reason is if we don't, our experience tells us that people will be out there floundering.
They'll be trying therapies.
They won't necessarily be getting good results, and we want to be able to adjust things, right?
And when I say escalation of therapy, I'm not just thinking, I'm trying to think of
how to say this, like L-Arginine, you know, you can use L-Arginine, it might be like
a $40 therapy.
Peptides, you're looking at like $140 month therapy.
Stem cells and exosomes, $11,500, right?
So partly it's a financial escalation, and partly it's, well, we can try natoconase for
your microclots at a certain level and then see how things go, and then we get into a
risk benefit decision regarding prescription strength, anti-quagulation.
So that's what I mean by escalation of therapy.
Shedding management, so Pierre and I are going to talk about this tomorrow.
I'm going to say this on record, like if Pierre gives me my 20 minutes.
We've learned that we need to treat the family.
You know, so it's like having, it's like, what happens if you step on the brake pedal
and the gas pedal at the same time, you're like, you're burning rubber, right?
So if you have a patient in a household that has people who are shedding on them and they
feel fine and they're like, oh, he's the problem, right?
You actually make better progress when you can engage those family members, and sometimes
you can and sometimes you can't.
But if you can engage them and say, hey, you know, just, you don't need to sign up to see
me, but just look at that plan of care, and you'll see things that you can try yourself
and guess what?
Your family member is going to get better if you're dealing with the spike background
in your body.
I'm sure Jordan's going to go into great detail about iliac venous compression, but I wanted
to give a little bit about my experience with it because I'm like, I'm following in his,
what is it when a car, you get behind a tractor trailer on the highway and you like, draft
streaming.
That's right.
That's what I'm doing.
I'm draft streaming.
So whereas Jordan's worked up like 200 patients for iliac venous compression since he talked
about it in July.
I've worked up about 50 and four of them have had stents so far.
And part of what I see as a pattern is people who I've been treating for microclotting and
they get better and they plateau or they get better and then they start to regress and
then I'm like, huh, what's going on here?
Not to underestimate the emotional toll of all this.
I mean, heck, for us as providers, we're actually looking at setting up a group therapist once
a month and that's real.
It's just like, I get up in the morning, sometimes it feels like the weight of the world's on
my shoulders and I trudge up that little hill to my office and I know that that's a fraction
of what my patients are dealing with.
I actually, I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a psychiatrist, but I organized an online
support group about two months ago and it's been growing and it's been really helpful
for me too because I'm vaccine injured also.
And one of the things that, you know, I know this, but it's really something when you hear
like 10 other people say it, all of us have been gaslighted.
All of us have been told by practitioners, hey, it's in your head.
You need antidepressants, anti-anxiety medication, you need to see a psychiatrist and it's really
deeply offensive.
One of the first things I ever learned when I was studying to become a nurse practitioner
from a very learned physician was you do not ascribe a patient's symptoms to their psychosis
until you've done a really darn good job of looking at and examining and testing and figuring
out that there's not a physiologic explanation for the symptoms that they have.
So you know, to those practitioners, I would say do your job, right, or learn how to do
it.
Like study what we're teaching here and learn how to do it.
So advancing layers of therapy, I'm going to pick out just a few things from this microcurrent
device.
I'm just going to, I'm going to tease you a little bit about this and then you're going
to have to find me to get the nitty-gritty details of it.
But essentially there's a $400 device that's made by a company called ARC Microtack in
the United Kingdom.
I do not have any stock.
I have no conflicts of interest here.
It's an amazing device.
We're using it in like 200 patients.
And you know, I was watching the slide that Dr. Ghazda had up there about mitochondria
and I'm thinking this is a lot of what we're dealing with this device because basically
it's teasing mitochondria out of the cell danger response, phase one, two, or three,
and helping bring them back online and make ATP again.
Now tell me that's not amazing.
I mean I almost feel like fatigue in our patients is becoming a past issue because of using
this device.
It also, I consider it to be basically a genetic repair device.
It is, it's basically influencing genetic expression.
It's literally helping to create cellular regeneration.
And the range of things that I've seen in patients that have been helped by this is
quite broad.
But I'll tell you, I've seen people who've been terribly depressed come out of the depression.
I have a patient recently whose ejection fraction moved from 40 to 58 percent in the last four
months.
Now I know Pierre is going to say I'm an expert in echocardiography and echocardiograms will
change depending on the person who reads it, so I got to give credit to that.
But I do think that the device made a difference in the patient's ejection fraction.
I've seen repair of connective tissue.
I've seen people of Crohn's for 20 years have the Crohn's Resolve.
It covers a lot of territory.
Bayabub is another thing.
I'm just, I'm finally, I feel like I'm coming out around Bayabub.
It's, basically it's a fruit.
It's a powder.
It costs 20 bucks for a month and a half of it.
We've been using it quite a bit in our practice.
And before there were words for this, Bayabub was antiviral, antibacterial, antifungal,
anti-inflammatory, fever lowering.
It helps promote bifidobacterium in the gut.
It's got a huge amount of vitamin C. And by the way, it's got EGCG and it helps blocks
by entering into cells.
And also we see clinical labs that show us that people's microclotting decreases because
EGCG inhibits platelet aggregation and activation along the COX-1 pathway of aspirin.
So there's some synergism to that and I'd say the biggest challenge to it is that you
need to sip it all day long.
You mix it up into a bottle of water and you sip it and that's just, some people just
can't be bothered but that's one of the things that we do.
Do I have some, yes, I've got stem cells and exosomes up here and I'll make a quick plug
for that.
I think we did an amazing job in our practice and we haven't done it for months but we'll
probably do it again where we basically delivered $40,000 worth of therapy for about $11,500.
We followed a protocol from VD labs where they're using stem cells and exosomes to
treat pulmonary fibrosis and long COVID and in this patient in particular it made a huge
difference for his chest pain, like that was really a game changer for him.
So iliac venous compression in two and a half minutes, it ain't what it used to be.
That's what I would say.
I have talked to like 20 interventional radiologists and vascular surgeons across the United States
and they always want to lecture me and tell me about how expert they are in iliac venous
compression in Matherner syndrome.
And so I listen and then I say, well you might consider and the things that are remarkable
to me, consistently the MCAS and the POTS that are present in these patients, that so
many of them have been athletic, it's certainly not just women.
So Matherner ain't just for women anymore.
And so we've had four patients now who've gone through and had stents placed and there's
really one person in the United States that's got her finger on this that Jordan's working
with.
It's Brooke Spencer and her practice in Colorado.
And I hope that I keep hoping their paper is going to come out soon about this.
But in the patients that we've already had go through the pipeline, we've seen improvement
in their MCAS and their POTS and their cognition and their fatigue.
And one of the lessons that I've taken from this is, whereas MRVenograms are the gold standard
for evaluating for iliac venous compression, I've had patients who've had terrible MRVenograms
and this is a credit to Dr. Spencer that they traveled all the way to Colorado, they got
on the table, they were expecting they were going to have this life changing procedure
and she got in there with an IV ultrasound, which is really the final judge of the compression
and she said, you know what, you don't need a stem, right?
So I've had patients who've had terrible MRVenograms.
So this particular patient, he had 70% stenosis and afterwards she's like, yeah, you definitely
needed that.
And then on the other hand, I've had patients, the community radiologists, they look at these
MRVenograms and they don't know what they're looking at.
They haven't learned it and hopefully they'll eventually learn because of Dr. Spencer and
Dr. Vaughn.
And then I say, nope, we've got to do the consult and we do and she looks at it and
she's like, yeah, you need a stem.
So 10 seconds here.
We stage therapy, patients are their own controls, we're looking for benefit neutrality and side
effects from what we're trying.
I think that the spiky antibody and the microclotin score are incredibly useful for guiding clinical
treatment.
You have to be in enough, I don't think you can manage these patients through text.
I think you need to be having visits with them and be able to escalate the therapy if
they're not responding.
And as Pierre and I will talk about tomorrow, shedding is real and managing it in the family
system will make a big impact upon their trajectory.
Thank you for that.
And I just, I want to put a quick plug in for my sub-sac, which is Lightning Bug.
Thank you for your time.
All right, thanks Scott.
There's the, am I sitting or am I going to sit?
All right, Scott, no.
Yeah, you want to sit, let's sit.
Be comfortable.
All right, so some questions flew in at the end.
The first one's an easy one.
There was like four in a row.
What was the name of that device, Scott?
Ah, it's the ARC Microtech device.
That's actually going to be on the eye recover protocol.
So if you download that, it's right now it's under second line therapies, but there's a
description of it and a name of it.
So look, he's wearing it.
Okay.
Is it the VAX or the actual disease itself that is causing all the neurological issues?
That might have been for Suzanne, but you can take that one.
Well the common thread is the spike protein, and there's more spike that gets into our
body from the vaccine.
But we're also seeing, as we'll talk about tomorrow, we're also seeing a significant
amount of spike going into people's bodies from shedding, so.
Yeah.
This may be for me.
When will we see clinical trials on treatment?
I don't even know why this is for me, but Matt Hama, one of our partners, the brilliant
researcher, and it was published a lot with Paul.
When will we see clinical trials on treating vaccine injury?
I don't think you ever will.
I think it will always be long COVID, just to be the cynic.
I don't think long VAX is recognized.
But since there's spike protein diseases, we're going to have to borrow from that literature.
But even then, some of you are aware that there was two articles about two or three
months ago which gave the summary of what our governmental research effort is right
now.
Apparently $1.2 billion has been committed to researching long COVID.
And as of the writing of that article, there were four trials ready to enroll.
None of them had enrolled one patient, and the only trial ready to enroll was studying
Paxlovid.
Move on?
We'll move on.
Have you used Steli ganglion blocks for long COVID post-jab injury?
I've had three or four patients that have done them, and in one patient it made a big
difference in deescalating his neuropathic symptoms, but then he had to repeat it three
months later.
I haven't found it to be a lasting therapy for patients, and it's quite expensive.
It's like $3,000 a pop.
I have a few patients, three actually, who have reported full resolution of tinnitus
with Steli ganglion block, but I've had others who've gotten it and had either no or very
minimal benefit.
So I would say anything that we talk about, nothing works in everybody, and that's part
of this challenge that Scott described is we're constantly searching to find the hammer
to hit that nail, and it's very hard because although there are some biomarkers that can
guide our treatments, really they're not really validated.
We don't really have good testing to guide, so we're kind of searching for which mechanisms
predominate, and sometimes some things will work to a really large extent in someone,
and other times it will have a minimal effect.
This is also probably for me.
Any comment on the apparent increase in pans, pandas being discussed and considered with
the debilitating neurodeg...
This is probably for Suzanne.
I'm going to present a case tomorrow, and I will link that to pans, pandas.
So I'll talk a little bit more about that tomorrow.
Can small fiber neuropathy manifest as a skin disorder, refractory itching?
Absolutely.
You know how I know that?
Because I saw this question, and then I googled it, and I found a paper.
So I saved you, Scott.
And I found a review paper, and certainly itching is described, examinist dermatitis
is described, redness is described.
So yeah, there can be skin manifestations of that.
This is a good one for you, Scott.
This is one you and I can argue about.
You're going to set up an argument here.
Got microclot in there.
Yeah, you got it.
No history of clots, but have a three out of four microclotting level.
Do I need anticoagulation?
Let me say, let's pretend this person didn't say it, but let's presume for the sake of
our argument that he or she is asymptomatic with a three out of four.
I think I'm pretty good at forensics, and if you gave me an hour in a room alone, I
would figure out that they were symptomatic.
That's probably fair.
And also, you know, I took it to heart when Dr. Goodyear said that the microclots basically
provide camouflage in a jet pack.
He didn't say it that way, but that's me for metastatic cancer cells.
So I think if someone's got three out of four microclotting, you got a problem brewing,
and we got to take care of it.
And what I'm not firm, I'm not like I'm against that.
I'm just sort of unclear.
I think there are legions of three out of four.
I think they've been three out of four for years, and if they're asymptomatic, and I
respect what Scott just said, I think if you do take a detailed history and you get
someone to really think about how they're living and feeling, you could probably find
that there are some things that have cropped up over time.
So they're probably not totally asymptomatic, but I don't know.
I have someone in my life who has a very high microclotting score, and actually we are putting
them on safe.
Some of the therapies that you talked about, like natokinase, and bromelain, and things
like that, so just an abundance of caution.
So we'll see.
We'll see.
So I think it's reasonable, but I wouldn't go so far as anti-coagulation.
I think that's a discussion that Scott and I had.
I don't think he's firm on anti-coagulating everyone, but I would need significant amount
of symptoms to put someone on blood dinners.
I think if it's just a microclotting test, and they're generally asymptomatic, I would
just do, you know, we have an eye prevent on the FLCC website, it's called the Eye Prevent.
It's really for people who've gotten vaccinated, might have some of these abnormalities, high
spike antibody levels, and I think those things are generally safe and reasonable.
Again, we have no data that's going to impact trajectory, so it's just sort of, just good
guidance, right?
So safe.
It's like JPs out?
Oh, are we done?
Okay.
Thank you for keeping on the clock.
All right.
So JPs next.
Thanks, guys.
So for those of you who've come to our conferences before, you've seen a mainstay as Dr. J.P.
Salibi.
He's been a core contributor to the FLCCCR Recovery Treatment Guide.
He has degrees from the Medical College of Georgia, East Carolina University School
of Medicine, and for almost two decades he pursued a career in emergency medicine and
held posts in occupational medicine, urgent care, family medicine, and he retired from
traditional mainstream medicine in 2013, and he currently practices integrative and functional
medicine at Carolina Holistic Medicine, where he serves as medical director, and he's also
the founder and director of the Priority Health Academy, a functional medicine educational
platform and practice building program.
He is also one of our key contributors with his series, Whole Body Health, on flccc.net.
So J.P., glad you're here.
Thanks, Pete.
Okay.
I like to walk.
So when I was asked to give a case study, I had so many in my clinic.
I have two offices in South Carolina, and I did a dive into some of the data, some of
the patients, and there were so many to present.
So I could have presented two sort of Cinderella cases, which were quickly resolved.
One was a gal who presented with a whole laundry list of complaints from a vaccine
injury, and we threw everything but the kitchen sink, the whole flccc protocol plus some add-ons,
and nothing really moved her much.
And so we did the microbiome testing, the GI map, and then we finally got around to food
allergy testing.
All her inflammatory markers were all elevated.
So she got the results before I got a chance to see them and review them with her.
So she had a two, because the lab that we use reports to the patients as well.
So she had about a two-week lead on me reviewing her food allergy test, which basically five
foods that predominantly caused a lot of inflammation, IgG and IgG4 reactions.
So she stopped eating them.
So when we had our visit two days, I'm sorry, two weeks later, she said, hey doc, I'm fixed.
I'm 95% to 100% better.
All my two pages of list of complaints are gone.
I said, oh, okay, I said all the supplements and drugs helping.
She said, I stopped them all.
She completely stopped all of her interventions because she didn't need them anymore because
we, she found out that those five foods were the triggers.
And that's an easy-peasy Cinderella case.
The other was a fellow who severely vax injured.
He was a 35-year-old gentleman.
He had this kind of Parkinsonian gait, stuttering, slurred speech.
They thought he had a stroke.
He's been to see a number of neurologists.
They couldn't figure it out.
He came to see me.
We put him on therapy eight months into it.
He's better.
He comes walking in my office without a cane, worked, I mean, he could have run a marathon,
I think.
And he said that he did really great and then Thanksgiving came along.
He cheated on his diet and some of his symptoms came back.
But he went back to his normal routine, lifestyle changes, and his symptoms abated.
And he stopped it.
Well, actually, the way he stopped it is he ran out and forgot to reorder because of the
holidays.
So he comes into my office after Thanksgiving and says, you know what, I don't think I need
anymore.
I was a little nervous because he was lying positive.
I said, well, maybe some cat's claw just to have on hand.
He's like, okay, I'll give you that.
And we decided to keep him on LDN for a couple more months.
And again, went to 95, 100% better.
It was amazing.
So those are easy peasy cases.
But what I'm going to present today is a train wreck.
It's a 76-year-old female.
Vital signs when she presented to me were absolutely normal.
And she was A-OK until the mid-2022 when in June she had her third booster, Moderna booster.
And within six weeks after that shot, she started having symptoms.
Her husband came home one day and she was sitting on the couch and she said, well, honey,
I can't get up.
I can't move to go to the kitchen to cook you dinner, which was very unusual for this
woman who played tennis, got her 10,000 steps in and walked about a mile of, sorry, five
miles every day.
So she was a very active, sharp, intelligent woman who was an educator most of her life.
She's retired and she was a former principal.
And her only past medical history was maybe a little elevations in her blood pressure,
not requiring medication.
Some little dyslipidemia and a history of melanoma that was taken care of in 2011.
She had no known drug allergies, no known environmental allergies, no known food allergies.
And she was really on no routine medications until the episode started in 2022.
So before she came to see us for the first time on 8.24 of 23, she went on this hideous
journey.
This was one of my remote patients.
So the husband had worked for a teaching hospital in the materials management.
So we were very familiar.
So the first thing he did when his wife presented like she did was he took her to this big teaching
hospital somewhere in Georgia.
I'm not going to mention the name, but it was my alma mater.
So if you know where I graduated from, you know, that's where she went.
She was in the hospital for 123 days.
They did every test imaginable.
They had all kinds of specialists come in and see her.
At least three neurologists, PET scans, MRIs, you name it, they did it.
They couldn't figure anything wrong with her.
So out of frustration after almost a third of a year, now this woman wound up degrading
to the point where she was nonverbal and she didn't move.
She basically laid in the bed all day, almost in a coma-like state, to the point where they
put a feeding tube in her because she couldn't chew and swallow her food.
And they were worried about aspiration.
And they had to keep her hydrated and give her nutrients.
So here she is laying around about eight months flat on a bed with a feeding tube, didn't
talk, didn't respond, nothing, couldn't move her extremities.
So they transferred her from that facility to another big Mecca teaching hospital in
North Carolina, which I will not mention.
I hope they have a great basketball team.
And so they did more tests.
They did very few useful interventions.
The third neurologist that saw her for the first time to the family said, well, it might
have been the vaccine.
That was the third neurologist at the second teacher.
She had already seen six neurologists.
It was the only one that was maybe a little bit honest with the family.
So he recommended starting IVIG.
But her course in the hospital, because she was in a facility, was compromised by MRSA,
pneumonia, and then C. diff following all the antibiotic courses.
So she wasn't in the greatest of healing environments.
She failed a number of courses with some interventions, and they tried a rutexamab.
That didn't work.
It made things worse.
So like I said, on the way out the door, they said, well, maybe it's the vaccine.
And she had been tried on multiple rounds of IVIG.
And we heard Dr. Gaza talk about the wonders of IVIG.
It's not for everybody.
In this case, the very last dose before discharge, it might have helped a little bit.
But subsequent outpatient courses actually made her condition much worse.
And I'll tell you a little story about the husband's perspective on that in a minute.
I think we have a video to show.
So Botox injections were used to help with the spasticity.
She was getting routine physical therapy.
Like I talked to you about, the feeding tube.
So we started her on a couple basic things.
I knew if I overwhelmed her with too much stuff, the family would freak out, and she
probably wouldn't tolerate it.
So she was already on low dose ivermectin from another practitioner at 18 milligrams
per day.
I took her up to 36.
And I added the fact that you take it with food for better absorption.
This all went through a feeding tube, of course.
And they were giving her crap like boost and things like that were horrible for her diet.
But that's what was given because traditional doctors non-nutritionally minded were actually
putting the stuff in her for her feedings.
I added low dose naltrexone.
We started at 0.25 milligrams and we titrated up every two weeks.
She's now at about four, four and a half.
We added m-loxinox.
And if you want more information, I've given lectures on it.
It's a drug used a lot in Japan for asthma, for anaphylaxis, and for allergies.
And it can take the place of high dose steroids.
And it can take the place of H1 and H2 blockers.
And monolucast, leukotrine inhibitors.
Low side effect profile, we had to have it compounded.
It went through her feeding tube.
She responded to that.
We started with natokinase and then switched to lumbrokinase because there was a bleeding
issue.
She had a little episode of rectal bleeding.
And I like lumbrokinase because it has an accelerator and a brake pedal, whereas nato
has just the accelerator pedal.
We did the augmented or NAC Augmentata and Mementine and Naminda.
So she started improving and I guess this would probably be a good time to show that
video if we could.
She's talking.
Yeah you can.
You can give me a high five.
You gave daddy and Alilah a high five.
Give me a high five.
And you gave me one too.
Come on.
You got it.
Do it.
High five.
You reach right up and smack my hand.
Can you do that?
I want to see it.
I want it here.
Show Ashley.
Can you do it?
Yeah.
Good job.
That's what I'm saying.
Look at that.
You want a dull star bed?
Barely make your leg.
We can cut the video.
It goes on a bit more where she actually moves her feet, but it's too long a video.
I don't want to eat up the time.
This is a woman who did not move, talk, acknowledge anyone in the room for eight months.
And this was filmed shortly after a little setback, if you will.
What happened was a physical therapist came in and said, hey, miss so-and-so, good to
see you.
How are you doing today?
He never got a response in like six months.
All of a sudden she sits up, turns to him and says, I'm doing pretty good today.
Scared the shit out of him.
He's like, you're not supposed to be doing that lady.
So of course he runs against the husband.
That young lady that was sitting in front of her was her one of the daughters.
So what happened, since she made this amazing recovery, now if I show that to a fifth grade
class and didn't give them the pre-story, they would freak out and go home and be depressed
all day because it's horrifying to look at even in an improved state.
But what happened is the family got so excited about how well she did that they invited the
rest of the clan in and of course she overdid it.
Everyone wanted to give her a high five and move her feet so she unfortunately took a
little bit of a setback because of all the extra activity.
So warn your patients that are that severely injured that you got to take baby steps and
never overdo it.
They witnessed some gurgling one night and they thought maybe she aspirated so they sent
her to the hospital for admission for possible aspiration pneumonia.
Once she was there they stopped all the meds we started.
There was no pneumonia on chest x-ray but they gave her a bunch of antibiotics and a bunch
of blood pressure medicine she didn't need and put her on a statin for whatever reason
which we had actually removed a lot of that stuff during the time we took care of her
as an outpatient.
But so there was an interruption in our care and because of that interruption she took
ten steps backwards.
So when she finally got home post discharge she was a little bit alert and speaking minimally.
So we had to start over again and we had to start by introducing each of the agents one
at a time.
Part of the problem was the distance part of the problem was the fact that a lot of the
compounded things took some time to get to home.
Family was apprehensive they didn't trust doctors right so I had to earn their trust
and I earned their trust because I got results okay.
And we were we were compassionate.
I have a great team of nurses and nurse practitioners and they give exceptional compassionate care
and so we can build back the trust.
All right so after the little setback from mainstream medical hospital admissions we
got back on track and restarted our agents one at a time.
And sometimes having to titrate up from a low level.
The last visit I had with her was in January the 11th where she showed some improvements.
Again she smiled she moved her head she responded she was able to move her upper extremities.
She is a difficult stick the last time they tried to draw blood and they had phlebotomists
go to her house because it was really troublesome to move her to a center.
So they stuck her like six eight times couldn't get enough blood.
We did get some results however on a blood stick but not everything I wanted.
She had a CD 57 of 84 if you don't know what that is it's kind of a tick-borne illness
Lyme disease marker if you will.
Below 60 is not good 60 to 100 is okay lukewarm.
You want to be above 150.
So my suspicions especially her history of where she grew up and traveled I suspected
a tick-borne like Lyme disease because I've seen patients present with things maybe not
this severe with Lyme but then you put Lyme on top of the spike and then they can present
like this.
So we started her look to other things so she had some elevated EBV titers.
Her spike IIGG antibodies were almost 12,000 D dimer was 0.6 IL-6 was only 8.4 her home
assisting was 10.3 and her CRP was 1.
I planned to do an Igen X or a vibrant wellness Lyme and tick-borne panel but we could never
get enough blood.
So we continued with M. loxinox.
We did do some peptides TA1 thymocin alpha 1 while it was available before the FDA banned
it and she responded to that as well as some rounds of BPC 157 at a higher escalated dose.
We did use ivermectin successfully and I think the combination of ivermectin and LDN in the
initial addressing our intervention for her was very effective according to the husband.
He actually had my cell number.
He actually called me and was screaming that his wife was alive again.
And he attributed it to the LDN and the ivermectin and he said well it might be the IVIG and
he said her neurologist wants her to keep doing it to the end of her life.
I said okay, is it working?
He says well in the beginning we thought it might but he says actually every time she
gets an infusion she gets worse.
I said well did you tell your neurologist?
Well no because I'm afraid I'll piss him off.
I said no you need to fire the guy.
I said let us take care of it.
Are you getting better results with us?
Yes.
Are you getting any results with neurology?
No.
Get rid of the mainstream neurologist until he grows up and gets educated on how to treat
COVID and vax injury.
Thank you.
The mementine trial was you know equivocal, guanfacine kind of made her a little agitated
so we didn't do that.
Now we're looking at using rapamycin.
So I'm educating the family about rapamycin and we're going to implement that probably
in a week.
Again, we had to use lumbar kinase versus natokinase just because of some bleeding issues.
She was on the adaptogen herb andrographis, LRC which is a combination of isochorsatin
and vitamin C.
We increased her vitamin D3, hard to get that up on this lady so we're thinking about using
some topical or transdermal D to help boost her vitamin C and vitamin D levels.
We did the NAC and then we used mega spore biotic gummies and the capsules we emptied
and put in her feeding tube to help so she wouldn't get another boutic C. diff.
And I've got some historical medications that we did use or we removed because they were
ineffective like her losartan inner phenofibrates.
So take home messages.
I've got two minutes.
And this is what I want to focus.
I want to shock the audience by how egregious her presentation was and actually just remember
that was an improvement that the family was actually happy with.
Will she get up again and walk and play tennis and do her five miles?
I don't really know.
I think the problem is is that we got to her too late.
Had we got to her in the first month of when symptoms onset, I think we could have had
her back playing tennis every day but not overly optimistic but I don't want to abandon
this family.
So never wait too long before seeking a COVID literate provider and we're trying to educate
people here to be COVID literate.
Don't waste too much time with non-COVID literate knuckleheads.
My wife told me to keep it clean so I'm using that term.
I think you all know what that is.
Some patients are fast responders like the first two I mentioned, eliminating some foods
and following an eight month course for almost 100% resolution.
And some take much longer.
I'm a Lyme doc so I know how that can be.
I've had patients on protocols for sometimes 10 or more years and they make a slow baby
step recovery.
Some don't.
Some just tread water.
And the family needs to know this and be encouraged to be patient.
And when folks plateau or get stuck, there's a likelihood there's some other chronic illness,
Epstein bar, Lyme, Bartonella, something else, a huge viral load has to be addressed.
So keep digging until you address it as we're doing with this lady.
We're doing it step by step.
We're waiting to a point where she can tolerate Lyme treatments because I'm very suspicious
that that's an underlying cause with her.
I've seen this hundreds of thousands of times, but she's not ready yet for the therapy.
It would ruin her.
So we have to wait for her to build up a good detox pathways, good microbiome, and then
we can start with some botanicals for her Lyme.
And I got two seconds.
One second.
All right.
Thanks, JP.
Have a seat.
Got some questions in here.
I'll give you an easy one first.
What food allergen test did you order?
So there are several that I use in my practice.
One from Precision Point, which has a great 14-page report.
The two most important pages are three and four, which are handouts for the patients
for the most restrictive and then the less restrictive diet.
So depending on their condition, I put them on the more restrictive for about three or
four months and then they can start adding in food.
So that's Precision Point.
They're out of Atlanta, Georgia.
The other is vibrant wellness.
They have the gut zoomer panels and they can be customized.
So those are the two ones I use.
I do not use Alcat because it's not reproducible.
Good to know.
What are the five most common foods that cause inflammation that your patients stopped?
Oh, well, they were oddball.
One was parsley, which she hardly ever ate.
And I'd have to go look at the report.
It was like there was one fish in particular crab.
She said she used to eat a lot of crab meat as a kid, but not much, but it would be mixed
in with other things.
You know, we're from the South, so crab cakes are popular in South Carolina.
So they were just, I just remember there were five that were really flagged as red.
And she took it upon herself to go ahead and eliminate those before she sat down and reviewed
the test.
And within a couple of weeks, it was like a miracle to her.
She said, oh, my God.
You know, I can stop all this other stuff.
And it worked for her.
Now is that going to work for everyone else?
Maybe not.
I'll take this one.
Does treatment with FLCC protocols help prevent long COVID?
Absolutely.
I think it's the rare patient in our practice who comes to us after having gotten early
treatment for COVID.
I think I know of one or two, and they came to us with fairly mild long COVID presentations.
So early treatment is absolutely critical to prevent long COVID.
All shedding questions.
I'm just going to leave till tomorrow.
What is the micro-clotting lab?
Find Dr. Jordan.
That's his practice.
I don't know his contact offhand, but he's here.
So any of you doctors want to speak to him about his micro-clotting test, he's the one
who does them.
Here's a good one.
JP, are you using a recommending IV ozone or IV vitamins and nutrients for your patients?
And then frequency question mark.
Sure.
So IV nutrients, yes.
I've been doing the Myers cocktail for probably 20, if not 25 years.
We have a COVID recovery center, and that's part of the protocol.
So peptides when I can get them, and sometimes I have to get them in some very clever ways.
And I incorporate those with IV therapies like the Myers, also IV glutathione, things
like that.
Ozone, I don't do ozone in the office.
One of the PAs that I oversee up in North Carolina, her husband does ozone therapy.
So sometimes I refer out for ozone or HBOT.
But it's been 50-50.
For ozone therapy, 50% of the people that have tried it before they come to see me say
that it worked a little bit.
Some say 50% it didn't do a thing.
Same thing for EBU, and hyperbaric is about the same, 50-50.
I can't figure out who it's going to respond to ahead of time.
So those are expensive interventions.
So I start with the baby steps and keep it simple, and it seems to kind of work for me.
Yeah.
I think I'll just add to that.
I agree with JP, and then I'll add another kind of caution, not only the expense in that
you're basically referring someone unless they have endless funds.
That's a very careful decision you want to make because it's not guaranteed to be sexual.
And then I've also had the experience where it's been incredibly successful.
It's taken people from 20% to 60%, but the problem is it's not sustained.
And over time, they kind of regress, and sometimes they're out of money.
So it's not the most pragmatic solution, but for someone with endless financial resources
and access, it may not be unreasonable.
How did this 68-year-old train wreck patient find Dr. Salibi?
Oh, wow.
That's interesting.
So there's a PA that lives across the state line, and that PA was very aware of the FLCCC.
And they were very close family members, almost like family.
So when the husband was lamenting about all the doctors that she'd seen, and for the whole
year nothing happened, she said, well, maybe you should give this doctor Salibi, this little
Georgia country doctor, a chance and stay away from these medical mechas.
And so that's how she was referred by a practitioner who's familiar with the FLCCC.
And now the whole family is a big fan.
Awesome.
I'm going to answer this one.
To what extent are you finding long COVID dysautonomia with atypical blood pressure response to standing,
meaning orthostatic hypertension?
That is rare.
In fact, I just saw a patient who's a physician, very experienced physician, who came to me.
She had been treating herself and doing a fairly good job.
But I've been helping her since.
But she has the most strange dysautonomia presentation.
The most brittle blood pressure I've ever seen, she goes from high to low, but oftentimes
can do things and then have these incredible spikes.
She's actually on five different antihypertensives.
But she has to modulate what she does because there are certain things which makes her go
low.
Wickedly complicated.
In fact, I don't manage her blood pressure.
I was like, you've been at this so long, you know your meds, you know your times of day,
you know your triggers.
There's no way I'm going to do a better job than you are.
But that can be a form of dysautonomia with these atypical blood pressure response.
Let me comment.
I'm not a peer to follow on the heels of that.
Yeah, so I know someone real close to me that had never got vaccinated, but had a pretty
bad bout of COVID and had really high spikes in blood pressure.
Those neuromotensives are actually low blood pressures.
We also see, but that kind of resolves with some natural botanicals for hypertension.
And then occasionally spikes every now and then when under stress.
What you also see is this kind of Venn diagram of things like POTS and MCAS and chronic inflammatory
response syndrome, all kind of, and then you throw in COVID spikopathy in there.
A lot of commonality.
So you have to get creative on how you manage.
You don't want to over manage.
Thanks, JP.
We're going to move on to Joe.
All right.
So my pleasure is to next introduce one of the OGs, the original gangsters Paul and Joe
go way back.
And I've really enjoyed meeting and working with Joe over these years, but he's one of
the founding members of the FLCCC.
So he's a co-founder.
He's chairman and president of Darrington Medical Associates, Associates and formerly
the chief of critical care services and the COVID-19 unit at United Memorial Medical Center
in Houston.
He used to be used to go by the name COVID Hunter, right, Joe?
You still still go by COVID Hunter?
Still have those, still have those lights.
And during the pandemic, he became known for his work on treating hospitalized COVID patients.
He's a co-developer of our math plus treatment guide.
And he worked at the bedside for more than 700 days in a row during the pandemic.
And he recently authored the adventures of the COVID Hunter.
Check it out.
Thanks, Joe.
Thank you, Pierre.
So I think I should change the name, you know, the change, change the name of the, of the
lecture.
I should just call it beating a dead horse, because what I'm going to say is exactly the
same as everybody else.
Exactly the same.
I mean, we've gone through amazing cases, the case that Pierre, JP and Scott have
presented are like, there's what you guys are going to see on this, on this next patient.
It is fascinating to me how my personal practice has changed.
Yes, from being 715 continuous days in the hospital to now doing outpatient.
I used to hate outpatient, to be honest with you.
But I have gone from treating the illness to let's prevent the illness.
And that's actually one of the things that I learned from FLCCC, which is something
that we never thought we were going to do.
I mean, Paul and I, we used to talk about all the weird things about taking care of the
critically ill patients.
And now look at us.
We're dealing with the most complex patients that we have.
In any case, the first case is a case, actually the case I'm going to talk to you about is
a 32-year-old lady.
And you will see that you can see my nice little face there.
And the reason why you see my face there is because I am Dr. Number 21.
This is nothing uncommon.
I'm sure that, I mean, you heard from JP, you heard from everybody, even Dr. Gazz earlier
today.
This is very common.
This is what we get.
I get patients that come to me, they have seen multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple clinicians.
I called them a bunch of idiots, but don't tell anybody that I said that.
But the reason that they come to see us is because nobody else knows what to do with them.
This particular patient I asked her, how did you find about me?
She says, oh, I know that you went in front of the Texas Medical Board a couple of times
because of your use of ivermectin.
I said, yep, but I came out cleaning each one of those.
Let's be clear on that one.
And she says, well, you know, I was looking for somebody that would be willing to give
me ivermectin.
I said, come on, you came to the right place.
No question about that.
Of course, just like Scott was saying, you know, you have to sit down and talk to them
for about 30 minutes just to get the history of presidentialists.
She gives me this gigantic list of complaints and the gigantic list of complaints where
she has, you know, the shortness of breath, the chest tightness, unintentional weight loss,
dry mouth.
I said, well, maybe it's getting dry because you keep on talking and talking and talking
and talking and talking and talking and talking and talking.
That's what I'm thinking is going on.
She hasn't had a period.
She has had an diarrhea.
She's 32 years of age.
I said, are you sexually active?
And she says, oh, yes, I am sexually active with my husband, but I have a brain fog from
hell.
I have memory loss.
I have fatigue.
I've been constipated.
And, you know, she keeps on going and going and I'm like, okay.
So the usual thing that I tell them is if I was to take care of one of these problems,
which one do you want me to take?
I mean, it is, well, between the brain fog and not having a period are the two that bugged
me the most.
But, I mean, she was so frustrated of what was going on that I said, okay, so how did
this all happen?
And what happened is that in 2020, she hits one episode of COVID and at the time she says
she just takes Tylenol, some vitamins, and that's it.
And she does well within a period of two, three days, no issues, no complaints, no nothing.
But then, you know, big announcement, vaccines are here and she decides to get her one and
only COVID-19 vaccination.
In the previous cases, you guys talked about Moderna, so let me put in some words for Pfizer
because this woman gets a Pfizer vaccine on 2021 and within one month, she no longer has
menstrual period.
This lady, physically active, very well to do, so she has all the resources to be able
to find any care that she needs.
She had a history of deep vein thrombosis which was related to a skiing accident.
She had a history of depression, but when I talked to her about the history of depression,
the depression really started around the time that she started to have all these issues.
Now, she doesn't come to see me for a long period of time, it's actually almost two years
until she gets to see me.
She had a history of gastroesophageal reflux disease for which she was taking one of the
proton pump inhibitors.
So after my 30 minutes of getting a history from her, I examined her, she's perfectly
healthy, I don't see anything opposite in this normal eyes, throat, lungs, everything
is within normal limits, which is what happens to all of us when we see these kinds of patients.
And that's what makes it so complex.
You wish they came out with some abnormality so that you could tell what's wrong with them.
So what do we do?
Well, we love them to death.
We start doing labs up to the wasu.
That's what we decide to do after we come up with the diagnosis.
And my initial diagnosis was spike protein disease and to prevent otherwise.
The question was whether it was long-haul COVID or it was vaccine-related, I'm in favor
of vaccine-related.
Anybody else?
Lift up your hand if you think it was vaccine-related.
Oh, I love this.
This is a good group.
Oh, it's the same group that we had in Dallas.
So that's why it's still a good group.
So again, we do blood work up to the wasu.
I do imaging, but immediately I start a treatment program of a patient.
Justice was mentioned earlier by Dr. Gazza, I'm a big believer in intermittent fasting.
I like the 18-6 combination.
If they can tolerate it, I do 18 hours of intermittent fasting, 6 hours of eat as much
as you can, or eat whatever you can.
I am a former big low-carb person.
I used to love low-carb diets, so I pushed the low-carb.
Obviously, I have to plug in the eye-recover protocol because we worked really hard on
that one, so immediately put the patient on eye-recover.
And because she had all this brain fog, the one thing that I have seen that works in my
practice is methylene blue.
I love methylene blue, except that patients come complaining that, well, my lips are
all blue and stuff like that, so you tell them, you go ahead and take it with a straw
so that your teeth and your mouth does not end up blue.
But I followed everything that we usually do.
So we did the intermittent fasting.
I gave her her hair back, and she was so happy that I gave her her hair back.
I do tell them to do some kind of activity if they can.
I mean, so she says, but I feel so tired.
She had been told by 10 out of the 20 doctors that she had seen before she saw me that she
was depressed, and of course, what do they do?
They put her on a serotonin antagonist, your classic serotonin antagonist.
And we now know that those are not your friends.
Those are not good agents.
You have listened to Dr. Paul Matic in one of the webinars discuss how serotonin antagonists
are probably not the best thing to use.
So one thing that I did is I took her of the serotonin antagonist.
I gave her some physical activity instead.
I said, hey, maybe if you do a little exercise.
I did do a little bit of sunlight, photo biomodulation.
We started needing for a red light.
She's 32 years of age.
She's a lady.
When I mentioned that, that may also take away the wrinkles.
Just like Dr. Gaza said, that was very good.
She says, oh, yeah, let's use this.
I'm a big, big, big, big, big, big believer on melatonin.
And for those of you who do not know about why melatonin, because melatonin has amazing
immunomodulatory events.
We know from the early stages of the pandemic is that the animal on Earth that had the highest
amount of COVID was the bat.
Yet bats don't get sick with COVID.
And they do so because they produce a lot of endogenous melatonin.
That's when we started to add melatonin to the AFLCCC protocols.
And we figured it out that, hey, guess what?
It improves your immunity.
So it helps.
I gave her some presveratrol as well, and she called me a few days later that she was starting
to feel a little better.
I said, okay, we'll see you back here in a couple of weeks.
She misses her appointment, comes a week later.
And when I see her after a week, like I said, we love working to death, I find a few things.
Her spike protein antibodies are in the 12,000 range.
Her serum cortisol is 1.9.
I said, I got it.
I know what you have.
You have adrenal insufficiency related to either COVID or the vaccine.
The rest of her blood work, as you can see there, is perfectly normal.
Looked at a bunch of other things, and I'm like, okay, so what am I going to do with this woman?
First of all, is the cortisol real or not real?
So like in any other patient, I do an ACTH stimulation test just to see if her adrenal
function is working, a little extra blood work here and there.
However, I tell her, you need to stay on the same medications.
Absolutely the same.
Do not change anything.
Do not change anything.
One thing that I forgot to tell you guys is that I also put her on a lot of vitamin C
because I'm a big believer in vitamin C from the very early stages of this illness.
She goes back six weeks later.
After we did her ACTH stimulation test, we found out that it was perfectly normal,
so that serum cortisol level, I really don't know what it meant.
A repeat serum cortisol by itself was normal.
However, this woman at that point in time, she says, Dr. Varone, I am a human again.
I've been fighting this for two years, and now I feel like a human.
I have brain fog.
I have memory loss, but it's much better, much, much better.
Her repeat antibodies are less.
Everything else that we do is amazing.
The woman says, Dr. Varone, this is unreal.
I don't know what to do.
I said, keep on doing the same things.
Stay on the methylene blue, stay on all these other things.
Six weeks later, it comes to see me.
Now, we are now 12 weeks into this treatment of a woman that had been fighting with this
illness for 12 months.
Her brain fog is almost gone.
Her memory loss is almost completely gone.
Just imagine how happy this woman is.
Her husband was ecstatic.
He says, wow.
I mean, he said, hey, whatever you want, doctor, just tell me what you want.
We'll do it for you.
I mean, he was so happy, because he says that it was very sad for him to go in and see his
wife every day, just suffered just like Scott was saying earlier, the psychological impact
that this illness has on the family, on the rest of the family members, is huge.
And that's one of the things that most clinicians are not considering.
They are like, okay, take this pill, take this pill, take this pill, this is not a take
this pill, this is let's work as a team.
On that same follow-up visit, I went back on the symptoms that she had.
And her shortness of breath was gone.
Her chest tightness was also gone.
Her dry mouth, not an issue.
And this time she kept, I mean, I went one by one.
She still hadn't had her period.
She hadn't gained any weight, and her weight loss was about the same.
Brain fog, as I said, was gone.
She was still a little fatigued.
Her appetite changes were gone.
Muscle pain was gone.
All the joint pains that she had were completely gone.
No more dizziness, no more numbness.
I mean, this made me feel like a real doctor for a change.
And I said, hey, I'm doctor number 21.
So that's why the number is there.
So you guys know.
I just want you to know.
So what did we learn on this case?
And you know, I'm actually pretty fast today.
So we learned a few things.
Spike protein disease comes in a variety of flavors.
Just like it's been said over and over again, number one, there is no one treatment that
is good for everybody.
Every patient should be viewed in a completely different manner.
We have algorithms.
We have guidelines.
But you cannot say this one works for everybody.
The most important thing is to think that spike protein disease is something that is
treatable, even in late stages, as it was just shown by JP.
I mean, these are cases that the sooner you start treatment, of course, the better it
is for patients.
Second thing that we learned is that these patients are extremely complex.
And that's one of the problems that we have in our current healthcare system.
Doctors don't want to sit down and listen for somebody that comes in with 25 different
complaints.
They don't.
I mean, thank God I have medical students that they go and get that history first.
And then I go in second.
But it is very frustrating for some doctors that want to get in and get out, get in and
get out.
And each patient has to be treated in a different way.
Just one more thing that I forgot to mention is that I just got a text from this patient
yesterday.
And for the first time in two and a half years, she just had her first period.
So I was actually quite happy.
And I didn't do it if you guys are asking.
So I mean, it is really cool to, as a clinician, you know, this is what I tell people.
This is what I went to medical school for, for these kinds of patients where we can make
a difference for these patients.
And that's what we aim at FLCCC.
Make a difference for patients, both individually and at the global level.
I think that that is the most important.
We learn every day.
We continue to learn and we will continue to work in the same way.
With that in mind, I want to thank you for your attention and ready for questions.
Thanks, Joe.
All right.
I got some questions.
Are JP, Suzanne and Scott close by?
I hope.
Yes.
Okay.
Because some questions might be for you guys.
They're holdovers.
Yes.
Are you checking total spike antibodies or just IgG spike antibodies?
Quest and lab core test choices are a little confusing.
I'm going to give this a shot, Scott.
We basically use lab core and it does both.
It'll give you a total IgG level and then a total spike antibody dilution level.
We kind of look at the total spike level.
We do the same.
Yeah.
And there's another question about, I saw a question about those levels.
That's also more of an expert than I am because he's collected a lot of this data.
But from our discussions, what I see in long COVID patients is you'll see a total antibody
levels generally under 2,000, so in the hundreds to the low thousands.
And then the vaccine injured can span the gamut and Scott has, we call it a 25,000 club.
We have a cohort of patients that are 25,000.
It's hard to know how to interpret that because when Scott, we'll talk more about this with
chatting, but when he's checked spouses, some of the spouses are somewhat asymptomatic, Scott,
but they're walking around with 25,000.
But the higher levels, when you start to get it over 10,000, that's the vaccine, only the
vaccine's doing that.
We have a bunch of melatonin questions.
You're not free, Joe.
Doesn't taking exogenous melatonin down-regulate your body's natural production?
Are there any long-term detrimental effects of melatonin?
There are no long-term detrimental effects.
That's number one.
And the question is actually very well taken because if you use very high doses, it may.
Actually at some point in time, years ago, Paul and I, we were saying, you know, using
this three to six milligrams per ride is probably a little too much.
And we were using 300 milligrams at the time.
So micrograms, I'm sorry, we were using a tenth of what we were currently using.
So at the present time, I don't think that there is any down-regulation on the basis
of the current doses that we're using, you know, three, six, depending on what you're
getting.
What is the highest amount you recommend?
Ten milligrams per night.
Okay.
JP, what are those natural botanicals you use for hypertension?
If I can hear you, I'll repeat it with my microphone.
There are several, Hawthorne extract.
Hawthorne extract?
Yeah.
High doses of CoQ10.
High doses of CoQ10?
Then there's a product called HTN180PX.
Then there's a product called HTN180PX.
Combo.
Combo.
All right.
So that's on the audio recording.
You can always get that if you missed it later.
What about people who develop sleep deprivation with use of melatonin?
I haven't seen people that develop sleep deprivation in my practice.
I guess I'm the expert on sleep deprivation because I don't sleep.
But I haven't seen anybody that does that.
I mean, most patients have told me that they sleep, they may not sleep perfect, but they
sleep.
And if they're having sleep deprivation, then I look for other causes as to why they're
having sleep deprivation.
Scott, what constitutes a bad batch vaccine?
All.
I mean, basically, you go to how bad is my batch, right?
And you'll see.
The short answer is the number of people that have adverse drug reactions, deaths, and disabilities.
So even if a batch has one reported case of that, it registers as a bad batch.
But what you see in the pattern with the obfuscation, the censorship, like after a certain date,
there just aren't any more bad batches being entered.
So we know that the data is being blocked.
Yep.
Can random inability to regulate temperature be a symptom of a vaccine injury?
And why?
Absolutely.
So temperature dysregulation is one manifestation of dysautonomia.
Dysautonomia has a number of causes, but one of the most common things that we see in what
I call long vax or long COVID, and again, just to define them for you.
For me, although they are new names, they literally are consistent with an older disease
called ME-CFS, which is myelgic encephalitis chronic fatigue syndrome.
Almost all of our patients come in with the triad, the pillar of fatigue, post-exertional
malaise, and some sort of cognitive deficits or brain fog.
But once you get past those three kind of diagnostic pillars, the number one, they're
kind of equal is some amount of sensory neuropathy, typically small fiber, and dysautonomia.
Those are the next two most common problems that our patients come with.
And dysautonomia, people usually related to uncontrolled heart rate, so a high resting
heart rate or a heart rate that spikes when you walk across the room or drops in blood
pressure with position, but it can also manifest with gastrointestinal function and certainly
with temperature dysregulation because it's the small fibers that do that that control
all of those things like sweating and heart rate.
So certainly temperature is part of a vax injury and that's the pathophysiology.
Can the sensory issues come and go, not be consistent in a person, or do you more commonly
see people, the neurosentery issues to be constant?
So absolutely a lot of all of the symptoms we see can vary and they're quite dynamic.
And one of the reasons for that is so much of the pathophysiology, so either macrophage
activation, mass cells, they can be triggered by things like stress, heat, exercise, and
exertion.
So we'll constantly see these spikes and then throw in the fourth trigger, which is this
shedding thing.
And so we can see patients doing really well, they'll try to overexert themselves or some
stress centers their life, things get worse, and then sometimes it's outside exposures,
those that were sensitive to spike will get worse.
So there are a number of things that cause quite a rocky road to happen.
Right, Joe?
Did I cover that?
You covered it perfectly.
People going.
How do you administer stem cells, exosomes?
So there are a number of ways, so if you're just doing exosomes, you can do IV, you can
do nebulized into the lung or intranasal.
Stem cells are all IV, but exosomes could be administered in a number of ways.
The way Scott was doing it, depending on the patient and their symptoms, we sometimes
would split up the doses in three different routes of administration.
But it typically needs an office and you need an IV.
The Scott, you mentioned a patient that had improvement with pulmonary fibrosis.
My husband has been diagnosed one year post-Pfizer, two-dose shots.
So I guess this is about post-vaccine pulmonary fibrosis, which if it's unrelated to COVID
is distinctly rare.
That's a really rare manifestation of a vaccine injury.
But the product that Scott and I were using is from VitiLabs.
Now, VitiLabs is at now phase three with the FDA, not to start a trial of stem cells and
exosomes for long COVID with pulmonary manifestations.
So it's interesting, and when we talked to the company, they were very clear.
They chose patients who had persistent pulmonary problems, typically fibrosis or organizing
the moment they persisted, but they also showed signs of the larger syndrome of long COVID
because the FDA would not let them study long COVID itself because long COVID is very difficult
to quantify.
There's no real biomarkers for it.
So they wanted to really follow a disease that had clear parameters that you can follow
with pulmonary function tests and imaging.
And they went through phase one, phase two showing safety and efficacy.
And so now they're phase three, and the company's called VitiLabs, V-I-T-T-I.
And Scott, do you have anything to add about the trial?
Where are they with the trial?
I would just say that I think that they tried to pitch a study for pulmonary fibrosis and
vaccine interpatients, and they couldn't get that approved.
So the stage three trials are actually for pulmonary fibrosis.
With COVID.
We have in Houston, we have a company called Hope Biosciences, and we have a stage three
clinical trial for stem cells for long COVID with very interesting results, very, very
interesting.
Here's a crowd favorite.
Regarding tinnitus, was minor for years increased 10 times after Vax and COVID have tried intermittent
fasting, methylene blue, vin-positine, opti-here, ivermetine, natto kinase, ashwagandha.
Ideas?
Question mark?
Actually, excellent.
Acupuncture is one, near infrared light.
I mean, amazing.
We learned that when we were in Dallas.
And I started using it because one of the other FLCC members said, hey, I've been using
near infrared light.
He had this nice little small thing that he was carrying with him.
And it started to order it for my patients, and it works like a charm.
Yeah.
I've also referred to cranial osteopaths.
I know a few one does neuro therapy using lidocaine injections at certain points around
the ear.
It's not exactly acupuncture, but they've had a pretty astounding success in several
patients.
Another patient, it worked, but was very transient, but is Suzanne here?
Suzanne might not be here.
But one of the things that actually is good that JP brought the acupuncture, we cannot
discard the use of traditional Chinese medicine.
In my office, my daughter is a traditional Chinese clinician.
Anybody that has long-haul illness, I immediately, you know, I do my thing, and I do a referral
to her.
So we work on that.
Don't ask me how her thing works.
I call it hocus pocus, but don't tell her that.
I hope she doesn't listen to this.
But I truly believe that some of what is done works.
I'm going to answer this, and then I want to hear the same answer from maybe JP and
you.
This is a good question.
How do you determine the most effective dose of LDN, since most effective dose is different
for each patient?
So my general approach is to titrate up slowly, depending on the patient, their history of
sensitivities started a half milligram.
I go up, I have a milligram every five nights.
I know Scott's a little slower, and JP sounds he only moves it every two weeks.
I don't know when I see a doctor and I'm impatient, but I haven't had too much problems going
up that slow.
But as long as they can tolerate, I'll let them go up to 4.5.
I do tell them that if they ever sense a feeling of refreshed sleep, stop at that dose.
So if they get to 2, and they say, wow, I suddenly felt like I got a better sleep than
I have, because it does change your circadian rhythms.
I leave them at that.
But more often, you'll find that they'll develop an intolerance.
Everything untoward will happen, and then I have them half the dose, and usually stay
there for a while and then go up again slowly.
JP?
Yeah.
The key point is to start low and titrate.
It's part of precision individualized medicine.
So everyone's different.
Some will tolerate 4.5.
Some I have a split dose.
Their total daily will be eight milligrams, but four BID.
And then there's very low dose naltrexin, ultra low dose naltrexin.
Don't forget those.
Sometimes I have people coming into the practice that have been on LDN for years, and they're
at three.
And sometimes I bring them down to a lower dose that's actually more effective.
So a lot of trial and error, a lot of subjective feedback.
Yeah.
I usually do the same thing as you do.
I don't do the five days.
I go to the week.
Oh, so sorry.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
You should go to the week.
You know, let's call us former ICU doctors.
That's right.
That's right.
Scott, you have anything to add on LDN?
I have patients that are on this low risk point 0.05 milligrams.
So again, speaking of the ultra low dose, Scott says he has had some patients who do
just fine on literally a half a milligram a night.
0.05.
Oh.
And you think that has clinical impact at that dose?
Nothing.
J.P., have you used KPV for mast cell activation?
I don't know what KPV is.
You're talking about the peptide KPV.
I use it because it heals the gut very well.
I've used it with mast cell.
Yeah.
You can do it orally because it is gut stable or nasal spray or subcutaneous and you pulse
peptides.
You know, you don't start somebody on it and go forever.
So you pulse them and you can mix and match.
You can mix them.
This is another ancient question.
Do you believe there could be widespread subclinical damage from vaccines long COVID and how would
that manifest?
Well, I'll give you the easier answer.
If you look at Arne Burkhart's work doing autopsies, I think they were up to 100 before
he passed unfortunately.
If you look at what they found in their 100 patients who were referred to them for second
opinion autopsies, and they did staining for spike protein, and these were all patients,
the indication for the second opinion where the families were convinced that the vaccine
was the cause, and he found, I think he found an 80 percent and I think that might have
gone higher later, but at least 80 percent of patients, it was clearly a spike protein
induced death.
What's shocking is almost all of the deaths were sudden deaths, and when you look at the
autopsy, you find spike disseminated to all of the organs, and so again, I didn't talk
to that patient the day they died or before, but a lot of them are doing normal things
and activities and even athletics and then are dying, and you know, with all these legions
of young people and athletes dying across the world, there's also just like the censorship
that Scott referred to with VAERS, there's no autopsies being done looking for spike.
Going back to my anecdote earlier, when I asked my, you know, an in-law about the spike
protein, didn't even know what it was, and so I think there's evidence of certain lurking
damage in those patients.
I can't recall exactly what the farthest out from the vaccine was.
I'm going to guess that in that series, about 59 days, and the epidemiology of these sudden
deaths from this, you know, brewing damage from spike protein, it still looks like at
about a year out, the excess mortality is going back to baseline, so I think most of
those, because I try to reassure my patients, many of them have been vaccinated, they have
high spike antibodies, microclotting tests, the big elephant in the room is some sudden
event going to cause me to cauterize, and I try to reassure them, the farther you out
from your vaccine, the farther you out from having taken one of those, the more likely
you're going to be able to avoid that, but that's, you know, that's not definitive, I
wish we knew more about that.
I think we're out of time, so I'm going to thank everyone for their cases, and I hope
you like the discussion.
